Update from the
Heartland
No.650
26.5.14 – 1.6.14
Blog version: http://heartlandupdate.blogspot.com/
To all,
Both Russia and the People’s Republic of
China (PRC) are acting like common street bullies as they continue their
aggressive campaigns to dominate their neighbors. The Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV) accused the PRC of
sinking one of its fishing boats in the disputed waters of the South China
Sea. The SRV has made overtures
toward the Republic of the Philippines in an effort to find support against the
expansionist efforts of the PRC. People's
Liberation Army National Defense University Dean Major General Zhu Chenghu
admonished the United States for poor strategic choices and said, “If you take
China as an enemy, China will absolutely become the enemy of the U.S.” Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe announced
his country’s intention to step up broad assistance to the SRV and stiffen
Japanese resistance to the PRC’s efforts.
Russia continues stoke the fires of rebellion in Eastern Ukraine, as
Putin claims he is withdrawing Russian forces massed along the border with
Ukraine. Yet, he has done nothing
to dampen the ardor of separatist activities in the eastern provinces of his
neighbor. It must be quite a bit
more than coincidence that both the PRC and Russia are carrying out protracted
saber-rattling campaigns against their neighbors. The similarities with events 80 years ago are striking.
A
supplemental note: what General Chenghu fails to acknowledge: those accusations
are a double-edged sword. If the
PRC acts like an enemy, the United States will have no choice but to treat the
most populous nation as an enemy.
Perhaps he is incapable of recognizing the costs of being a common
street bully.
If
two countries freely choose to transfer territory from one nation’s sovereignty
to another, that is their choice entirely. There are peaceful, legal means to do so. However, what happened in Crimea was
wrong in just about every way.
What Russia did was one step short of war or force of arms. Putin’s actions in the Crimea situation
were so bloody similar to March 1939 (since I must discount the September 1938
event), as Great Britain and France were in collusion with Hitler. In the later month, Germany used only
the threat of force and the reflection that the remainder of Czechoslovakia
(after Sudetenland was carved off) was alone, unsupported by any of the Allies,
and had virtually no defense or military power left to withstand the Wehrmacht.
Czech President Emil Hácha capitulated to Hitler’s demands without a single
shot being fired.
For
our public debate, I ask some relevant and appropriate questions. Why did Finland, Hungary, Rumania, and Bulgaria
join the Germans in Operation Barbarossa [1941]? BTW, a little known historic factoid: Rumania, Bulgaria and
Hungary declared war on the United States in June 1942, and the United States
obliged – the last time in history to date that the U.S. formally declared war
on a sovereign nation [5.June.1942].
To continue, why did Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Ukrainians, Circassians and
many others aid the Germans in their battle against Russia? Was it because they collectively sought
domination by Hitler’s Germany and the Nazis? No! They
despised the Russians and the long oppression of their countries by Tsarist and
then Soviet governments. They
hated the Russians more than they feared the Germans. Those attitudes took centuries to take root and grow. Russian tsars, dictators and strongmen
were only interested in protecting their power, and they usually fanned the
flames of nationalist pride to do so.
I see events in Eastern Europe and Asia in the bright illumination of
history. I also wonder whether we
are Chamberlain or Churchill?
On Wednesday, 28.May.2014, NBC News
broadcast an edited interview by Brian Douglas Williams of the fugitive from
justice in Russia [599]. I recorded the program and carefully
listened to the content. First, I
must say, it was an interesting choice of broadcast times . . . just two days
after the Memorial Day holiday – our remembrance of all those who sacrificed
their lives for the protection of the freedoms we enjoy.
For
what it is worth, I have a number of impressions from the interview. To his credit, the fugitive was calm,
thoughtful, articulate and focused.
Again, to his credit, he offered compelling arguments in his
defense. Unbeknownst to me, he
claimed far more, extended involvement within the Intelligence Community (IC)
than I previously understood or knew.
Taken from a distance, I certainly share, as I think all thinking
American share as well, the serious concern and apprehension regarding the U.S.
Government’s (USG) warrantless surveillance programs carried out primarily by
the National Security Agency (NSA) with the direct involvement of the FBI, CIA,
DHS, and other USG agencies.
At
the end of the day, the fugitive in Russia claims righteous indignation in his
challenge of the USG and as rationale for his illegal theft of many, highly
classified documents that did not belong to him. He stated several times that “sometimes doing the correct
thing is illegal” – perhaps, his form of civil disobedience. I am disappointed that Williams did not
go after him regarding his implied superiority over the USG, regarding what is
right, or appropriate, or whether disclosed information is harmful to national
security. The fugitive also claims
he tried multiple times, through various legal offices, to draw attention to
what he believed was wrong within the warrantless surveillance programs. He is too young to know about
precedents, history, prevailing intelligence means and methods. In essence, he placed himself in the
position of judge, jury and executioner with the USG’s conduct in the War on
Islamic Fascism. To have a public
debate about the authority and usefulness of electronic and warrantless
surveillance intelligence programs both outside and inside the United States is
and should be a valuable exercise.
What I cannot accept is his method for drawing out that public
debate. I will give him the
benefit of the doubt in that multiple sources reported at least one attempt to notify
the Inspector General of his organization. The group that should have acted did not. To the fugitive in Russia, the paucity
of positive response meant collusion rather than weakness in his argument. To my knowledge, he never attempted to
engage Congress or the Judiciary.
He did not have to sacrifice the national security for the entirety of
this Grand Republic. All in all, I
think his ego got the better of him and grossly inflated his sense of
self-importance. If he really
believes his actions were patriotic rather than treasonous, then he should man-up,
stand before the bar and present his case for scrutiny and judgment.
News from the economic front:
-- The Commerce Department reported the U.S. Gross Domestic
Product (GDP) decreased at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.0% in 1Q2014
– the latest recovery stumble since the Great Recession technically ended
almost five years ago. This is the
worst performance since the 1Q2011, when the U.S. GDP declined at a 1.3% pace.
Comments
and contributions from Update no.649:
Comment to the Blog:
“I am still considering the issue of prayers at meetings of
public bodies. As a member of a non-Abrahamic religion and as a person who
believes that religion is a private matter, I still object to prayers in that
setting, and I believe that the systematic exclusion of non-Christians
aggravates that issue tenfold. I, by the way, fit your term “cleric” and I want
to note that a significant number of exceptions exist to your description of us
as power-seekers.
“Beyond that, I am seeing a requirement of officials to make
a public, personal commitment to the unity and well-being of the people they
govern as a more desirable outcome. Imagine what could happen if a person in a
city council meeting, for one example, could call attention to a council
member's self-serving position differing from his statement of an hour earlier.
“Your other commenter and his kind need to study the early
history of this Republic. Many of the Founders were Deists, which most
modern-day Christians would not see as Christian. Deism thrived as part of the
Age of Reason. Clearly, the Age of Reason is long over. Also, searching the
phrase “tyranny of the majority” and reading the results with as much of an open
mind as they can summon would enrich this person's view. The Bill of Rights
belongs in the Constitution to cover that set of issues.
“Anything like a gift shop at the 9-11 memorial was bound to
be tacky. However, current American outlook permits nothing to be truly
non-commercial.
“I understand that the Credit Suisse conviction can be seen
as progress in prosecuting large-scale financial wrongdoing. However, at this
pace effective change cannot occur before at least one more worldwide economic
crisis brought on by exactly the same group of people and the corporations they
control. “Someday” is not an appropriate goal for jailing criminals, be they
teenagers stealing electronics from unattended cars or financiers removing
billions of dollars from the pockets of people worldwide. Certainly legislators
have much to account for in this. That, to me, is part of a progressive
outlook. I expect government to be more than a hand-wringing spectator to
large-scale criminality.
“As you have pointed out, the intelligence reform bill is
extremely watered down. Any such bill that covers only two agencies cannot be
considered useful. I'd be interested in knowing who did what to whom behind the
scenes, but those stories will never be available.”
My response to the
Blog:
Re:
public prayer. Systematic exclusion
of non-Christian religious denominations from rendering an opening,
non-denominational, legislative session invocation makes the whole process suspect
and thus unacceptable. Conversely,
inclusion of non-Christian clerics does not offer license for them to
proselytize for their particular sect or theology.
Re:
power-seekers. My representation
was not intended to be all-inclusive or even definitive.
Re:
“unity and well-being of the people.”
Spot on, brother!
Unfortunately, contemporary politicians are far more driven to impose
their particular ideology on We, the People, rather than seek compromise and
moderation for the common good.
There is far too much meddling in private affairs and conduct rather
than addressing the common good in the public domain.
Re:
history. There were many forces at
play during those years of the founding of this Grand Republic that we would
not recognize today and certainly would not tolerate or support, e.g., “men” in
those days meant something fundamentally different from what it means today.
Re:
“tyranny of the majority.” The
term and principles to avoid that tyranny remain just as valid today as they
were at the founding; yet, we all too often forget that important history.
Re:
gift shop. I have not seen the
gift shop at issue, but from the Press reports, it sounds like it was
respectfully and tastefully done.
I simply sought to remind folks that the memorial and gift shop are intended
for the general public as a whole, not just a special fraction.
Re:
Credit Suisse. Good points,
all! This particular issue had
more to do with the governmental disagreements and sovereignty than it did
violations of the law. Swiss banks
have a long and storied history of secrecy and insulating their clients from
governmental intrusion. Credit
Suisse deserves some credit in that they are one of the very few corporate
entities to admit their guilt in violating the evolved law. The Swiss government no longer
protected the banks that chose to do business outside the country, e.g., in the
United States and thus subject to our laws.
Re:
intelligence reform. The H.R. 3361
deals more with the symptoms rather than the root cause. Like banking reform, half steps are
better than no steps. I imagine
Congress is attempting to do the minimum possible to affect sufficient change
to placate public apprehension. I
doubt H.R. 3361 does even that minimum amount.
Another contribution:
“Re: the Chesterfield County case, it's not just a case of them
only wanting Christians giving prayers, but Christians of the ‘right persuasion.’
The majority of the prayers will be from evangelical Protestant sources. Just recall the mess at USAFA.”
My reply:
Re:
Chesterfield. I was not aware of
that aspect from the Press reports.
Such conduct by a public governance institution makes the process all
the more suspect and offensive. I
suspect Chesterfield will not fair well in the judicial review process.
A different
contribution:
“Re: Prayer. If we cannot listen to a prayer of
another faith, why should we expect non-Christian folk to listen as we pray in
the ‘Name of Jesus.’ If we are willing to listen to another’s prayer, then
we can expect God to touch a non-Christian as we Pray.”
My response:
Excellent
point! Further, is our religious
faith that shallow and fragile we cannot tolerate even the hint of a different
perspective? In addition, I have
always found different views and opinions broaden my understanding and
strengthen my opinion of any particular issue or topic. We need diversity, not uniformity.
Yet, another
contribution:
“Here
is some input for your update from the heartland if you choose to use it.
Feel free to cut and paste, or edit, it as you see fit. It is on the
topic of public prayer.
“You
mentioned your use of the pronoun Him and that it was not gender
specific. Here is the last stanza of ‘My Country ‘Tis of Thee,’ or ‘America,’
written by Samuel Smith.
Our
father's God to Thee
Author
of liberty, to Thee we sing
Long
may our land be bright
With
freedom's holy light
Protect
us by Thy might
Great
God, our King
“I
say this and other patriotic songs are prayers set to music. I think the
author meant a human with a penis and lots of XY chromosomes when he wrote
King. So he would disagree with you, I think, if he used the pronoun Him.
Here
are words from "Battle Hymn of the Republic".
In the
beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea
With a
glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me
As He
died to make men holy, let us die to make men free
While
God is marching on.
Again, if a hymn is a prayer set to music, then I presume you
would take issue with this stanza being sung at a public gathering in any of
the 50 U.S. states, since it mentions Christ.
“I
agree with you that using the word God in a public prayer is not a violation of
the idea of separation of church and state. Here some more examples of
patriotic songs mentioning God and heaven.
From the 4th stanza of ‘The Star Spangled Banner’:
Blest
with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise
the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation
Then
conquer we must, when our cause it is just
And
this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
From ‘The Marine's Hymn’:
If the
Army and the Navy
Ever
look on heaven's scenes
They
will find the streets are guarded
By
United States Marines.
Some U.S. taxpayers would not like U.S. Marines doing that. ‘America the Beautiful’ mentions God in
every stanza. ‘God Bless America’
even has God in the title. It sure sounds like a prayer to me.
“Hey,
I found a patriotic song that's safe to sing at public gatherings. ‘Yankee
Doodle.’
Yankee
doodle, keep it up
Yankee
doodle dandy
Mind
the music and the step
And
with the girls be handy.
No mention of God in this song. So no atheist could
object to this, except I am not sure to what "keep it up" refers,
although it has something to do with being handy with girls.
My reply:
Re:
public prayer. An interesting perspective. First and foremost, I encourage
disagreement and opposition opinions.
So,
let us examine this premise a bit.
-- "America,” written by Samuel Francis Smith [1832],
-- "Battle Hymn of the Republic,” written by Julia Ward
Howe [1862],
-- "The Star-Spangled Banner," written by Francis
Scott Key [1814],
-- “The Marine’s Hymn,” written by W.E. Christian [1917],
-- "America the Beautiful," written by Katharine
Lee Bates [1895],
-- "God Bless America," written by Israel Isidore
Beilin (AKA Irving Berlin) [1918],
-- "Yankee Doodle," often attributed to Richard
Shuckburgh [circa 1770].
All of these historic and traditional songs – celebratory
hymns, i.e., prayers to music – came to fruition prior to the legal rejection
of the Doctrine of Coverture [1981] or even women being recognized as citizens
with the right to vote [1920]. As
I have said, our interpretation of the meaning of “men” in the preamble of the
Declaration of Independence has evolved over time, but the principles espoused
remain the same. We must not deny
our heritage, our history; but, we must understand that history in proper
context and perspective. The
writers, singers and aficionados of these patriotic songs may have understood
explicitly that God meant Jesus of Nazareth, and thus were Christian
songs. There are some of us who
sing (or try to sing) the words of these historic songs with a much broader
view.
I
suppose the point of all this is, being confined or restricted to the original
context and perspective eliminates our ability to evolve, mature and grow. I accept God, as in there is only one
God; He may be referred to by many names and worshipped in many forms by myriad
practices and procedures; but, God is still God. Limiting the definition of God to the Protestant, or even Christian
perspective, is NOT consistent with the founding principles of this Grand
Republic. We can sing all of the
songs you cite, as I do in my simple way, and feel the intention of the song
and “see” God in those words, in whatever form is most meaningful to us,
without imposing upon the views of others.
. . . round two:
“You wrote in your last update: ‘The founding
principles of this Grand Republic are inclusive, NOT exclusive, of all, not
just the chosen some...’ I thought about this after I wrote my first
e-mail. Please consider the word 'posterity' from the preamble of the
U.S. Constitution: ... and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves
and our posterity, ... I think
'posterity' is exclusive. A dictionary I have defines 'posterity' as all
descendants, as opposed to ancestry. Ancestry and posterity go in
different directions from you, for example. Your mother, grandmothers,
great-grandmothers and so forth are ancestors. Sons, grandsons, great-grandsons
and so forth are your posterity. I don't think the signers of the
Constitution and the folks they represented meant for 'posterity' to include
slaves and Indians. Just like Dred Scott was not a citizen since
he was a slave. I think Chief Justice Taney was right about that, that
the signers did not intend for slaves to be citizens.
“Feel free to include this or not in your next update from
the heartland. I am interested in your take on this.”
. . . my reply to round two:
Re:
exclusivity. Interesting
perspective, I must say. In the
spirit of a vigorous public debate, please allow me to offer a contrarian
opinion.
Re:
posterity. Your choice of
definitions is in itself not inclusive.
The American College Dictionary we were issued at the Little Boys Boat
and Barge School defines “posterity” as:
1. succeeding generations collectively
2. descendants collectively.
The Collins English Dictionary defines “posterity” as:
1. future or succeeding generations
2. all of one's descendants.
Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary defines “posterity” as:
1. all of a person’s descendents: opposed to ancestry
2. all succeeding generations; the future.
I could go on to make an exhaustive dictionary search;
however, this should suffice for our purposes. What I glean from these slightly different perspectives is
individual versus collective. We
can debate whether the Founders meant a particular version in the Preamble of
the Constitution. The document
begins “We, the People,” which is a plural pronoun, not singular. Even the particular phrase in question,
“. . . and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,”
uses the pronoun “our,” which could be interpreted as singular possessive or
plural possessive. Given the
opening of the Preamble, I believe the intent of the Preamble is indeed the
collective, NOT the individual possessive. Thus, I do not agree that “Posterity” in the preamble
context is exclusive, but rather is inclusive via the collective.
Re:
sons versus daughters. The
perspective you articulated is quite consistent with our historic,
paternalistic traditions and law (common in 1775 and 1787). Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3 clearly
excludes slaves or indentured persons from the rights and privileges of
citizenship. Further, the common
law definition of “men” or “citizen” of that era meant only educated,
landowners, and in some states, only Protestants in good standing, with an even
smaller subset in some locales that narrowed the qualifier even farther to
Episcopals only. That exclusive constitutional
foundation vanished with the ratification of the 14th Amendment
[9.July.1868]. The Doctrine of
Coverture was clearly defined by Sir William Blackstone in 1765 (vol. I, sec.
15, para.430). The principle was
accepted in the Colonies at the time of the Revolution, and remained the basis
for lord & master laws in the United States until 1981 {Kirchberg
v. Feenstra [450 U.S. 455 (1981); no. 79-1388]}. The paternalistic perspective is no
longer valid or appropriate. It
may be a personal choice, but it has no basis in law anymore.
Re:
Dred Scott. Your representation of
Dred
Scott v. Sandford [60 U.S. {19 How.} 393 (1856)] was of course quite
correct as history and my reading of the decision validates. The Supremes were bound by Article IV,
Section 2, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution at the time; in essence, they had
no choice, despite their personal, moral objections. The Dred Scott ruling was essentially superseded
and invalidated by the 13th Amendment [6.December.1865].
All
that said, surely you are not suggesting we return to those days of implied
exclusivity?
. . . round three:
“As you requested, I am coming back at you. To answer
your question about returning to days gone by of implied exclusivity: No,
I was not advocating that be done. But then, I was not trying to advocate
anything. I was trying to explain why I thought the early years of the
U.S. of A. were exclusive. So I will gladly discuss this further, but I
will have to be a sea lawyer to some degree. I will try not to ramble a
lot.
“Abraham Lincoln, about a sixth of the way thru his first
inaugural address said this: ‘... and the intention of the lawgiver
is the law.’ If I remember right, Robert Bork wrote and said that this
was the proper way a judge should arrive at a decision and the reasoning for
the decision. I like that, as opposed to a judge trying to further some
agenda by legislating from the bench. Opponents of this method argue that
sometimes it is impossible to know what was intended since a governing law is
so old that the lawgivers are all dead. Robert went on to say that in
most cases, with some research, a judge could arrive at a decent conclusion
regarding intent. Something like that. I have not done much
research about inclusiveness/exclusivity. I am not claiming that I know
what Ben Franklin, John Adams and others intended. I claim that I am
guessing what their intent was. As it turns out, my guess differs from
your guess or knowledge. I have never been mistaken for a scholar, but I
like to know what scholars have to say about some things. That does not
prevent me from guessing. You know the saying, your guess is as good as
mine.
“You used the words 'implied exclusivity'. There is a
place in the Constitution that I think is explicit, not implicit, about
exclusivity. The place is the 3rd paragraph of Section 2 of Article I
about taking a census. ‘... excluding Indians not taxed, ...’ Some
folks interpret things narrowly, others interpret broadly. I interpret
narrowly, or specifically, I think. I don't try to read between lines
because I have a hard enough time reading lines. Like I wrote earlier, I
have never been mistaken. So when I see the word 'excluding', I think
exclusivity.
“I don't think I have a closed mind on this topic.
Ajar, maybe, but not closed. If you have some knowledge about the intent
of the signers of the Constitution that you think I don't have, please let me
know what that knowledge is. If you disagree with Honest Abe and me about
intent, I am interested in your explanation of why you disagree.
“You lost me about 'sons versus daughters'. I presume
you were referring to my words about ancestry going one way and posterity going
the other way from a person. I could have used 'father' and 'daughters'
instead of 'sons' and 'mother' or I could have used just male terms or just
female terms. I meant to show that I interpret narrowly, not
broadly. That is, the intent of Ben, John and the others was only their
kin, not the kin of slaves and Indians. I meant nothing about one gender
or the other.”
. . . my reply to round three:
Ahso. I think I understand. The issue in this thread, when boiled
down to its essence, is strict constructionist versus an adaptive, living
interpretation of the Constitution and the law. The interpretation of the law was the domain of the
Judiciary.
I
do agree with your view of the prevailing mores at the time of the Founding. Only white, educated, Protestant
landowners were considered citizens.
Women and children were considered property, as were slaves and
indentured servants. Those were
the norms of their day. We can
argue, as the strict constructionist like Bork, Scalia and Thomas profess, that
the only viable interpretation intended by the Founders was through the lens of
1787, and anything else requires an amendment to the Constitution. As I read significant founding
documents, I see a far more robust and enduring document. The Framers provided a framework by
which laws would be created in a collective system of checks &
balances. They intentionally made
changes to the Constitution laborious and difficult, which means they intended
the Constitution to remain stable, as the basis for the common law. Given the visionary perspective of the
Founders & Framers, and the context of contemporary society of their day, I
cannot imagine they believed they were perfect and there was not another way in
perpetuity. They knew the Constitution
had to adapt to the unknown future.
They purposefully and intentionally did not define terms like what is a
man under the Constitution, or what is privacy, et al? If the Framers had believed they were
perfect and there was no need for evolution, they created a society where they
were the new royalty, the new elite, with the power of divine providence.
Re:
“the lawgiver is the law.” As you
know, Lincoln was reflecting upon Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3, and in fact,
Chief Justice Taney’s rationale in Dred Scott. It was his way of arguing the law must
change, and the Constitution must change, for the reason he cited.
My
point in the male-female topic was the traditional paternalistic perspective
versus the modern evolved equality state.
The Framers never envisioned the world we live in today; however, they
created a Constitution and form of governance that adapted to changing
conditions and expectations. They
clearly believe society would evolve under a broad Constitution. I also think they would be pleased with
how we have evolved under the Constitution. While Coverture defined inheritance, ownership, even family
law at the time of the Revolution, the evolution of the law in this area took nearly
200 years to change. Even when the
13th
and 14th
Amendments abolished slavery and established “male” citizenship, it
took another 100 years for some states to get even remotely close to the
Constitutional definition. Heck,
even the Supreme Court believed “separate but equal” was a stable, appropriate
state under the amended Constitution.
The
status of Native Americans is a rather unique issue, since by treaty they
maintain some degree of autonomy . . . however tenuous it may be. Their status in American society is a
more complex answer.
All
that said, I am not a strict constructionist, and further, I can see no
evidence the Founders and Framers intended that position in perpetuity. As I said, to do so implies the
original was perfection, and I do not believe they were that arrogant or
egocentric.
My very best wishes to all. Take care of yourselves and each other.
Cheers,
Cap :-)
2 comments:
Putin and Russia are louder than China, but that is no measure of the situation. Putin most likely hopes to live out a false memory (“euphoric recall” if we were discussing alcoholism) of the days when the USSR dominated a much larger area than Russia does today. The USSR paid a price for those days and so will Putin. However, these days Europe is far stronger than it was in the Cold War days. Let us allow those in the most danger to lead the response.
China, on the other hand, has a long and strong history of empire-building. I caution that meeting threats with threats will not bring about any desirable resolution to this tension. China fears nobody, and they have much stronger support for that position than Putin or that clown in North Korea. If Vietnam has become an ally in the formal treaty-bound sense, we need to find ways to support them. Peaceful methods should receive strong preference. If we have no obligations, let us tread carefully. Historically, the great empires have fallen through over-extending their resources. Ours is in enough trouble already.
I will state here as I have elsewhere that if I were in Edward Snowden's position, I would not attempt to change the system from within. It is no secret today that the US spy services have upset entire national governments. There is no reason to believe that they would hesitate to simply kill a low-level contractor who tried to upset their operations, legal or not.
Your pro-Christian correspondent and his kind need to study the subject rather than quote hymns and such behaviors. Probably the least they need to do is read a book or two by people who have spent years studying their subject. The American Revolution was based on Enlightenment thinking, and that thinking did not endorse the religions of its time or of ours. Thomas Jefferson, the subject of a biography I just finished (A Life Worth Reading: Thomas Jefferson, by C.P. White), was a deist, as were many of the Founders. This particular book defines deism as “a quasi-religious view . . . which believed the universe was the creation of a rational God that can be known through the observation of natural phenomena and understanding of natural laws.” That is rather far from Christianity, whether conservative or not. No Bibles in that, none of the trappings of any formal religion at all. There are good reasons why not. The Founders understood the potential for abuse of religion far better than modern Americans. They had seen it in action.
I guess I need to state that I support your view on the Founders' readiness to support broadening the availability of freedom to women, people of other races and religions and and responsible persons in general.
Calvin,
Re: Russia. Spot on, I’d say. Putin sure appears to be nostalgic for the bad ol’ days of Uncle Joe. Indeed, Europe is far different from 70 years ago. Yes, Europe can handle Russia today, but I doubt that will happen without the United States.
Re: PRC. I am not aware of any official or public defense treaty with the SRV. Again, spot on, regarding the PRC. Further, I’m not aware of any threats to the PRC. Our public statements have been to standby our allies and resist PRC hegemony.
Re: that fugitive in Russia. Assassination, yes, plausible, but more an event of the cinema than reality. If he was as smart as he thinks he is, he could have figured out a way to alert Congress and to expose the warrantless surveillance programs without doing such extensive harm to the national security of this Grand Republic and the safety of ALL American citizens. Yes, this is a debate we must have, but it did not have to instigated in such an injurious manner. This is one of many reasons his actions appear to be far more narcissistic and egocentric than in the public interest.
Re: Christian. I think the point of noting the historic patriotic songs was a reminder that God has been prominent in our heritage from before the Republic. As has been voiced in this small, humble forum, many Christians feel and believe the efforts to secularize our history is an assault on our Christian founding. Yes, history has recorded that prominent Founders and Framers were deists rather than Christians. Likewise, the history is undeniable that this Grand Republic has been and remains predominately of the Christian faith. My point has been not to expunge history of God or even religion, but rather to find balance between our religious faith (whatever that may be) and our secular governance. The challenge before us is balance. Again, spot on, the Founders had graphic, first-hand evidence of religious abuses. Heck, so many of the early settlers in fact fled religious persecution in Europe, including my ancestors . . . Huguenots fleeing deadly violence in France (1686). As I’ve said many times and continue to say, this Grand Republic is a nation of all religions and no religion.
Re: broadening freedom. Thank you. From my perspective, they intended “men” to be all human beings, although in their day, only educated, male, Protestant landowners were understood to be relevant. Fortunately, we have grown and matured.
“That’s just my opinion, but I could be wrong.”
Cheers,
Cap
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